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		<title>The End of Small Business Financing with IRA and 401k Funds? (Part 3)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, now it&#8217;s time to solve the mystery. (Final Post) [see previous here] In 1978 Jimmy Carter reorganized the government with this order, and this took the issue of retirement account prohibited transactions away from the domain of the IRS and gave it to the Department of Labor (DOL). This fact was unknown to (or [...]]]></description>
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<p>Ok, now it&#8217;s time to solve the mystery. (Final Post) [see previous <a href="/2009/10/15/the-end-of-small-business-financing-with-ira-and-401k-funds-part-1/" target="_blank">here</a>]</p>
<p>In 1978 Jimmy Carter reorganized the government with <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nabers.com/docs/78_reorganization_plan_no4.pdf" target="_blank">this order</a>, and this took the issue of <a href="/2008/04/24/prohibited-transaction-basics/" target="_blank">retirement account prohibited transactions</a> away from the domain of the IRS and gave it to the Department of Labor (DOL).</p>
<p>This fact was unknown to (or possibly ignored by) the ROBS promoters who claimed the IRS ROBS letter confirmed the validity of the ROBS strategy. The truth is that the IRS letter did not say whether or not the ROBS strategy creates a prohibited transaction because the IRS didn&#8217;t have the authority to say it. It was the authority of DOL. Ah, what fun bureaucracy can be.</p>
<h3>Speaking with the Proper Authority</h3>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve known about this transfer of authority ever since the creator of the IRA LLC (late attorney Debra Buchanan) told me about it back in 2004. So I&#8217;ve been in close contact with DOL employees for several years. Here&#8217;s where the bureaucracy gets funny (or scary, depending on how you look at it).</p>
<p>A couple of weeks after the IRS ROBS letter came out, I called my friendly DOL contacts to ask, &#8220;What do you <span id="more-1082"></span>think of the ROBS strategy that the IRS just wrote a letter about?&#8221; They responded with, &#8220;What letter? What is ROBS?&#8221;</p>
<p>[If my friends at the IRS and DOL are reading this now, don't take offense. Everyone knows that government agency intercommunication is kind of like Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. It's not <em>your</em> fault.]</p>
<p>So I faxed the IRS ROBS letter over to DOL. I was happy to do this for the IRS because I know they are really busy.</p>
<h3>Finally&#8230; the Meeting</h3>
<p>My annual trip to Washington, D.C. was scheduled for about six weeks later. So this gave DOL plenty of time to review the letter so we could discuss it at our meeting.</p>
<p>When the meeting came in December, all of the mystery surrounding ROBS collapsed with a couple of straightforward sentences out of the mouths of the decision makers at DOL (paraphrased):</p>
<blockquote><p>The &#8216;qualifying employer securities&#8217; exemption means that transaction of the plan acquiring stock from the C corporation is exempt. BUT, this exemption doesn&#8217;t throw the rules out the window for looking at the whole strategy. This whole strategy generally provides an &#8216;outside-of-the-plan&#8217; benefit to the participant, who is a disqualified person. Thus this strategy creates a prohibited transaction.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bear in mind this unofficial conversation is, well, not official. What would make it official is if I (or anyone else) submitted a written request for a DOL &#8220;Advisory Opinion&#8221; letter that explains whether the ROBS strategy is a prohibited transaction.</p>
<p>These DOL guys indicated that such a request would be met with an Advisory Opinion declaring ROBS illegal.</p>
<h3>Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger</h3>
<p>There it is, folks. End of story. ROBS is a prohibited transaction. Many people and attorneys can disagree, but it comes down to 4 guys at this government agency in Washington, D.C. to provide the interpretation of the prohibited transaction law. In other words, it doesn&#8217;t matter what anybody thinks except for <em>them</em>. And <em>they</em> think you owe the government a 115% tax (on the amount of money involved in the scheme) if you do a ROBS.</p>
<p>Up until this meeting, I was just as hopeful as anyone that ROBS would come out of the gray area in a favorable conclusion. I don&#8217;t want to end this topic on an disappointing note, so I will be throwing out some ROBS alternatives in a future post.</p>
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		<title>The End of Small Business Financing with IRA and 401k Funds? (Part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[This is a continuation of a previous post. You should read that one first so this makes sense.] The IRS Responds For the first time ever, the IRS actually addressed the &#8220;financing a small business with an IRA or 401(k)&#8221; strategy. They called it &#8220;ROBS&#8221; for &#8220;roll over business startup,&#8221; and issued a letter on [...]]]></description>
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<p>[This is a continuation of a <a href="/2009/10/15/the-end-of-small-business-financing-with-ira-and-401k-funds-part-1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">previous post</a>. You should read that one first so this makes sense.]</p>
<h3>The IRS Responds</h3>
<p>For the first time ever, the IRS actually addressed the &#8220;financing a small business with an IRA or 401(k)&#8221; strategy. They called it &#8220;ROBS&#8221; for &#8220;roll over business startup,&#8221; and <a href="http://www.nabers.com/docs/IRS_ROBS.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">issued a letter</a> on October 1, 2008. This letter basically stated:</p>
<ul>
<li>We know about the ROBS strategy</li>
<li>We are concerned about it for several reasons</li>
</ul>
<h3>Celebrate and Ignore</h3>
<p>Most ROBS <em>promoters</em> spun the IRS ROBS letter as a long-awaited government blessing for the strategy. They said that the concerns that the IRS listed were administrative errors, such as <span id="more-1077"></span>not filing the plan&#8217;s annual valuation report, not telling the corporation&#8217;s employees that they can also participate in the plan, and not ever launching a bona fide business in the first place. &#8220;These can be avoided. Read between the lines here.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to ROBS promoters, what was between the lines is that the IRS implied that the ROBS strategy was legitimate in the first place.</p>
<p>You would think my quest for a final answer to &#8220;Is the ROBS strategy legal or illegal?&#8221; would lead me to the IRS building in Washington, D.C&#8230; Not so. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">What ROBS promoters were ignoring</span> (or unaware of) is that a strange, mostly unknown Presidential move from the 70s placed this matter outside of the IRS and onto a different government agency. In fact, the IRS letter talked <em>around</em> the core ROBS issue and never faced &#8220;Is the ROBS strategy legal or illegal?&#8221; head on—because, after the move in the 70s, they actually don&#8217;t have the legal authority to comment or decide on the issue.</p>
<h3>What Now?</h3>
<p>Determined to get to the bottom of this, I went to <em>the other</em> government agency.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, let me tell you why this matter is so important: If the ROBS promoters are wrong, everyone who believed them will be subject to a tax of at least 115% of the amount of funds involved in the strategy. OUCH!</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="/2009/10/21/the-end-of-small-business-financing-with-ira-and-401k-funds-part-3/">Continue to Final/Part-3 of this post</a></p>
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		<title>The End of Small Business Financing with IRA and 401k Funds? (Part 1)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guidant calls it Audeo. Benetrends calls it Rainmaker. SDCooper calls it ERSOP. It goes by many names and it&#8217;s gotten a lot of attention from the franchise industry and, as of about a year ago, the IRS. The IRS calls it &#8220;ROBS&#8221; for Roll-Over Business Startup. What is it? It&#8217;s a strategy where a person [...]]]></description>
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<p>Guidant calls it Audeo. Benetrends calls it Rainmaker. SDCooper calls it ERSOP. It goes by many names and it&#8217;s gotten a lot of attention from the franchise industry and, as of about a year ago, the IRS. The IRS calls it &#8220;ROBS&#8221; for Roll-Over Business Startup.</p>
<h3>What is it?</h3>
<p>It&#8217;s a strategy where a person with retirement funds:</p>
<ol>
<li>Forms a C corporation.</li>
<li>Uses the new C corporation to adopt a 401(k) or profit-sharing plan.</li>
<li>Performs a rollover from existing retirement funds (IRA, 401k, etc) into the new 401(k) plan.</li>
<li>Directs the new 401(k) plan to invest into the new C corporation by purchasing shares of stock.</li>
<li>Now this person has a C corporation with some or all of their retirement funds in it, and they are told they can use the funds to run the corporation, launch a venture, buy a franchise, and even pay themselves a salary.</li>
</ol>
<h3>Special Powers &#8211; For Good or Evil?</h3>
<p>This is a tremendously <span id="more-1076"></span>powerful strategy. The problem? Many attorneys think it&#8217;s illegal because of the <a href="/2008/04/24/prohibited-transaction-basics/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">prohibited transaction rules</a>. Those rules say that the accounthoder (a.k.a. plan participant) is classified as a &#8220;disqualified person,&#8221; meaning that the retirement plan can&#8217;t transact with him or do things designed to benefit him outside of growing the plan.</p>
<p>To complicate matters, many other attorneys think it&#8217;s legal and on very solid ground. Why the disagreement? The pro-ROBS attorneys say that a special exemption throws the prohibited transaction rules out the window when you classify the transfer of the C corporation stock as &#8220;qualifying employer securities.&#8221;</p>
<h3>A Quest for the Final Answer</h3>
<p>About a year ago, my phone was ringing off the hook from people saying, &#8220;Some say it&#8217;s legal, some say it&#8217;s illegal. What&#8217;s the truth? I don&#8217;t want to risk my retirement fund on something sketchy!&#8221;</p>
<p>So I set out to get to the bottom of it, and the outcome will surprise you. Stay tuned for the tale of my trip to Washington, D.C. to meet with the guys with whom the buck stops.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="/2009/10/19/the-end-of-small-business-financing-with-ira-and-401k-funds-part-2/">Continue to Part 2 of this post</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[By far, one of the most luring propositions is Fund your dream business with your retirement fund &#8220;But, how?&#8221; you ask, &#8220;isn&#8217;t it a prohibited transaction to invest your plan (IRA/401k) into something that involves myself as disqualified person?&#8221; Yes. As a general rule, it is prohibited for your plan to invest in a business [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By far, one of the most luring propositions is</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Fund your dream business with your retirement fund</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong></strong></span><br />
&#8220;But, how?&#8221; you ask, &#8220;isn&#8217;t it a <strong>p</strong>rohibited <strong>t</strong>ransaction to invest your plan (IRA/401k) into something that involves myself as disqualified person?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. As a general rule, it is prohibited for your plan to invest in a business that you own or run. An exception to that rule is what is promoted through:</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>Benetrend&#8217;s <a href="http://benetrends.com/rainmaker/index.php" target="_blank">Rainmaker</a></li>
<li>Guidant Financial&#8217;s <a href="http://www.guidantfinancial.com/products/small-business-financing/default.aspx" target="_blank">Audeo</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ersop.com/" target="_blank">ERSOP</a></li>
<li>and others</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>The arrangement works with a prohibited transaction exemption [<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/usc_sec_26_00004975----000-.html" target="_blank">IRC 4975(d)(13)</a>] for what is called &#8220;qualifying employer securities&#8221;. This is how these arrangements are structured:</p>
<ol>
<li>A C Corporation is formed</li>
<li>This new corp then sponsors a qualified plan (such as a 401k or profit sharing plan)</li>
<li>The customer&#8217;s existing retirement funds are transferred into the new plan</li>
<li>The plan then purchases a significant portion of the new corp&#8217;s stock as <em>qualifying employer securities</em></li>
</ol>
<p>Ordinarily, this would be a PT, but based on the special exemption, it is okay that the plan is buying shares in the participant&#8217;s company, the participant is paid a salary from the company which is funded mostly from the plan, and the participant works for the company which is owned mostly by the plan.</p>
<p>For this &#8220;<strong>q</strong>ualifying <strong>e</strong>mployer <strong>s</strong>ecurities&#8221; arrangement to exist, the plan documents must allow for investment into QES and the corporation&#8217;s bylaws must allow for QES and a corporate resolution must be made to approve the QES transaction.</p>
<p>Theoretically this can be a very powerful concept. In my honest opinion, however, this arrangement is often being promoted regardless of suitability.</p>
<h2>Sales Pitch A &#8211; Access your retirement funds NOW</h2>
<p>&#8220;Do you want to benefit now from your retirement funds before age 59 ½? Just use this QES arrangement!&#8221; Let&#8217;s examine this further below in some examples. I hate to spoil it for you, but of all the options to receive your retirement funds earlier than 59 ½, the QES arrangement results in maximum taxation.</p>
<h2>Sales Pitch B &#8211; Make your business income tax deferred</h2>
<p>This is simply a half truth. The business income is taxed at the corporate level. Let&#8217;s examine:</p>
<h3>QES funds legitimate business, but there&#8217;s no profit</h3>
<p>Jerry wants his retirement funds NOW, but he&#8217;s only 45. He doesn&#8217;t want to pay distribution taxes &amp; penalties, so this sales pitch appeals to him. He sets up a Rainmaker plan, but his business never makes a profit. That&#8217;s okay, he thinks, because I really just wanted access to my retirement funds. But at what cost was this access granted? Firstly, the only money he makes is what his corporation pays him through a W-2. So he pays taxes on this personal income after all that work to &#8220;get around the distribution taxes&#8221;. Any money he has spent on trying to get the business off the ground would likely exceed the 10% penalty he would have incurred for just directly distributing from his retirement accounts. Plus, he&#8217;s spent $4,000 to $5,000 to setup the arrangement in the first place.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Conclusion: He would probably receive less money (net of taxes) through his QES arrangement than he would through direct plan distributions.</span></p>
<h3>QES funds questionable business, but there&#8217;s no profit</h3>
<p>Joyce wants her retirement funds NOW, but she&#8217;s only 50&#8230; so she sets up an ERSOP. She never really tries very hard to make the business successful, so her situation is just like Jerry&#8217;s except she hasn&#8217;t spent that much money on business expenses outside of paying herself a salary. She still ends up paying taxes on her personal income. She thinks she&#8217;s clever because she kept her expenses low, but all in all the IRS &amp; DOL may question whether this business was truly created with the intentions of making or selling products or services for a profit. If they conclude &#8220;no&#8221;, then the entire arrangement may be deemed a &#8220;sham&#8221; and past due taxes, interest, and penalties assessed.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Conclusion: Joyce&#8217;s income (which comes from retirement fund money) is taxed as ordinary income. She receives no tax beneift. Further, she is operating a sham entity that will upset the IRS in an audit.</span></p>
<h3>QES funds legitimate, profitable business</h3>
<p>Jill has a great business idea, uses the Guidant&#8217;s Audeo QES arrangement to fund it, and lo and behold, it&#8217;s a success! As the first example with business income,</p>
<ul>
<li>She is <em>still</em> paying ordinary income taxes on the compensation she personally receives (She did not circumvent the taxes she would have paid to distribute her retirement funds to herself)</li>
<li>Her plan receives its income <em>after corporate taxes</em> are paid. This means her plan&#8217;s income will be taxed once at the corporate level and once again later at distribution. This is just bad planning that results in maximum taxation.</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Conclusion: Jill still paid taxes on her personal income (that came from her retirement money and its further returns) and the income of her retirement plan is subjected to corporate taxes. This strategy accomplishes little to nothing in the way of tax minimization.</span></p>
<h3>A better way to access your funds NOW</h3>
<p>Did you know that you can distribute your retirement funds to yourself at <em>any</em> age without triggering the 10% penalty? All you have to do is agree to abide by a regular payment schedule until you either turn 59 ½ or take distributions for 5 years&#8230; whichever is longer. There&#8217;s plenty of strategies to follow that make these schedules flexible for anyone who has a fair amount of retirement funds. More on this in a later post&#8230;</p>
<h2>Sales Pitch C &#8211; Quit your job and follow your dreams</h2>
<p>Like most people, you probably have a dream or two about starting a business that you would love running. I think this plays a bit strongly on most people&#8217;s emotions. Most people are tired of working for someone else, and they want the flexibility and freedom that can be made possible by starting a small business.</p>
<p>The problem is that 90% of small businesses fail in the first 7 years. 90% of the survivors fail in the second 7 years. This famous Department of Commerce study tells us that if you are starting a small business, you have a 99% chance of failing. How do you like those odds? They are worse than the odds you get from a casino&#8230; many times over. To complicate matters, many people cite that the #1 reason for small business failure is <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>not enough capital</strong></span>. Now, my goal isn&#8217;t to deter you from starting a business. For me, starting and running businesses has been extremely gratifying. I&#8217;ve started over a dozen businesses, some of them were profitable successes, but probably the most <span id="more-33"></span>important lesson I can share is that <strong>most of them were failures</strong>. In fact, what seems to be the key to a successful entrepreneur is <em><strong>willingness to fail</strong></em> and persevere. Thomas Edison famously created the lightbulb after making 10,000 failed prototypes.</p>
<p>If <em><strong>willingness to fail</strong></em> is a key component to eventually achieving success, then I contend that you shouldn&#8217;t use your <em>tax favored</em> retirement funds to fund your first small business. Even if you have a successful small business, I would strongly discourage you from funding another small business unless it is in the same field. If it took 10, 15, or 20 years to build your retirement account up it seems silly to risk any significant portion in starting a small business.</p>
<h2>When is it prudent to use the QES arrangement?</h2>
<p>Because starting a small business statistically carries extraordinary investment risk, I see two situations in which capitalizing it with retirement funds would be acceptable:</p>
<ol>
<li><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>When only a small portion of retirement funds are used.</strong></span> Common sense (and modern portfolio theory) says that it&#8217;s good to take a small portion (say 10%) of a portfolio and subject it to high risk. The rest should be invested in assets that have less risk than a small business startup. You can expect a small businesses to cost $50,000 to $500,000 to start, so this avenue would require the retirement account to have $500,000 to $5,000,000 of available funds.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>When starting a duplicate business.</strong></span> If you own a consistently successful Italian restaurant on the east side of town and find that there is sufficient demand to start another Italian restaurant on the north side of town, then maybe your experience will limit your risk and increase your chances of success. (<em>Of course the new restaurant will need to be a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">new</span> C Corp to simplify valuation issues for the plan&#8217;s QES purchase.) </em>If you&#8217;ve only owned one restaurant for 5 years, maybe limit your retirement fund investment to around 25% of your portfolio. If you&#8217;ve owned 3 of these restaurants for 12+ years (and already experienced your fair share of failures), then it might make sense for you to risk even more of your portfolio. I&#8217;m just giving theoretical examples; you come up with your own rules, but be realistic.</li>
</ol>
<p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Under no circumstances does it make sense for a person to invest a large portion of their retirement funds into a new small business in which they have not already proven their success.</strong></span></em></p>
<p>Now, let me clarify: It <strong>can </strong>make sense for a person to start a new business venture with or without experience. Just figure out how to capitalize it without risking tax favored retirement funds. If you lose/spend all your funds on a business failure, can you afford to build your retirement account back up over another 25 year period?</p>
<p>If #1 or #2 above doesn&#8217;t apply to you, but you still want to start a business, raise capital from others&#8230; even raise capital from other retirement funds. This may cause you to justify your ambitions and expectations more thoroughly. If you can&#8217;t convince other people to invest in your new business, then should <em>you</em> be investing in it? Sometimes people have a hard time seeing the reality of their own situation. We&#8217;ve all had that friend who thinks their ugly baby is adorable. If you can&#8217;t think of that friend, it might be you! I remember that when I played basketball in school I thought I was really good. Then I watched a video tape of me playing and saw a different story. I clashed hard with reality. That realization helped me work to become a better basketball player. Don&#8217;t let your &#8220;video tape&#8221; incident result in a loss of your oh-so-tax-favored funds.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole world of people out there ready to invest in sound business startups. It starts with your friends and family and extends into angel investors.</p>
<p>I know this doesn&#8217;t sound as sexy as &#8220;live your dream NOW &#8211; it&#8217;s so easy!&#8221; but this sound approach leaves no nasty hangover.</p>
<p>At the very least, if you are considering one of the QES approaches, <strong><em>find as many people as you can who have used this approach and judge their results.</em></strong> This might be difficult because the companies who promote the QES will probably put you in touch with their best success stories rather than people whose results are common.</p>
<h2>Franchises to increase odds of success</h2>
<p>For most QES promoters, buying a franchise is offered as a method of reducing risk. My experience with franchisees doesn&#8217;t paint that picture exactly. On one end of the spectrum things are very lucrative. A client of mine bought one of the first Sears Auto franchises well over a decade ago, and he has profited immensely from it. He locked in his franchise fees long ago when the franchise was less established and therefore carried more risk. On the other end of the spectrum, I have a friend who bought two Blimpie franchises just a couple of years ago. When he bought them, Blimpie was an established brand and franchise. As things turned out for him, he only profits if he actively manages the businesses. There&#8217;s not enough profit for him to hire a reliable, competent manager&#8230; so he has effectively bought himself a job managing a sandwich shop&#8230; far from his dream. From my perspective, the latter results are undesirable. The results of the Sears Auto are desirable but they carried a lot of risk, and it probably would have been unsuitable for a retirement account investment.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that starting a small business is very risky. If you are convinced that you can minimize that risk well, prove it to yourself by getting others to invest in your new biz. Leave the retirement funds for their intended purpose &#8211; <em>passive</em> investments.</p>
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