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	<title>Comments on: How come I&#039;ve been losing 4% per year over the long run in a stock market that returns 10% per year?</title>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffnabers.com/2008/05/02/how-come-ive-been-losing-4-per-year-over-the-long-run-in-a-stock-market-that-returns-10-per-year/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill&#039;s point about the increasingly poor quality of many consumer goods is dead on. It is also something ignored by many economists who treat most types of goods as being equal in quality over time.

For example my grandfather&#039;s late 70s era riding mower was still perfectly functional in the late 1990s. Contrast this with my parents and their neighbors&#039; struggle to find a current equivalent that will hold up more than 2 or 3 years.

Also, after reading this post I will think twice before believing all the nonsense Dave Ramsey spouts about the stock market returning 12% a year on average (sometimes he claims you can fairly easily surpass this rate of return by investing in well-managed mutual funds). Judging by the return of the S&amp;P 500 over from 1950 to the end of 2007 his estimate is only high by 4 or 5 percentage points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8217;s point about the increasingly poor quality of many consumer goods is dead on. It is also something ignored by many economists who treat most types of goods as being equal in quality over time.</p>
<p>For example my grandfather&#8217;s late 70s era riding mower was still perfectly functional in the late 1990s. Contrast this with my parents and their neighbors&#8217; struggle to find a current equivalent that will hold up more than 2 or 3 years.</p>
<p>Also, after reading this post I will think twice before believing all the nonsense Dave Ramsey spouts about the stock market returning 12% a year on average (sometimes he claims you can fairly easily surpass this rate of return by investing in well-managed mutual funds). Judging by the return of the S&amp;P 500 over from 1950 to the end of 2007 his estimate is only high by 4 or 5 percentage points.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nabers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Glenn. I am sure you&#039;d love to know how to pick funds/managers that can beat the market. Everybody would. The premise of this blog is that doing such a thing is unlikely, complex and/or difficult.

The proposed solution is unrestricted investment options. Instead of having to pick either individual stocks/bonds or funds of stocks/bonds, a person can simply restructure their retirement account to allow for direct investment into real property, private mortgages, private businesses, private debt instruments and revenue contracts, and any other asset.

So my what I promote is that a person learn how to understand financial statements and financial instruments. This is a much less difficult task than learning how to understand the stock market. The stock market is this tiny realm inside a huge world of investment opportunities. My blog is about having access to that entire world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Glenn. I am sure you&#8217;d love to know how to pick funds/managers that can beat the market. Everybody would. The premise of this blog is that doing such a thing is unlikely, complex and/or difficult.</p>
<p>The proposed solution is unrestricted investment options. Instead of having to pick either individual stocks/bonds or funds of stocks/bonds, a person can simply restructure their retirement account to allow for direct investment into real property, private mortgages, private businesses, private debt instruments and revenue contracts, and any other asset.</p>
<p>So my what I promote is that a person learn how to understand financial statements and financial instruments. This is a much less difficult task than learning how to understand the stock market. The stock market is this tiny realm inside a huge world of investment opportunities. My blog is about having access to that entire world.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...  Even if you buy the 12% inflation number, I keep coming back to the key premise that most money managers/funds can&#039;t been the indexes (after fees).

I&#039;d LOVE to know how to consistently pick the funds/managers that can beat the market and can be reactive to a big down market by selling out and/or hedging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;  Even if you buy the 12% inflation number, I keep coming back to the key premise that most money managers/funds can&#8217;t been the indexes (after fees).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d LOVE to know how to consistently pick the funds/managers that can beat the market and can be reactive to a big down market by selling out and/or hedging.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nabers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nabers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Bill. It&#039;s that phenomenon that is making it easier for us to ignore inflation. &quot;If a sofa costs $1000 twenty years ago and today, then where&#039;s the inflation?&quot;

I imagine the inflation of reduced value could only be measured by seeing how much a product costs today that matches the quality of a certain product in the past... but then your are certainly getting subjective. Accuracy and consensus of such a measurement would be difficult.

Thanks for the valuable input!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Bill. It&#8217;s that phenomenon that is making it easier for us to ignore inflation. &#8220;If a sofa costs $1000 twenty years ago and today, then where&#8217;s the inflation?&#8221;</p>
<p>I imagine the inflation of reduced value could only be measured by seeing how much a product costs today that matches the quality of a certain product in the past&#8230; but then your are certainly getting subjective. Accuracy and consensus of such a measurement would be difficult.</p>
<p>Thanks for the valuable input!</p>
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